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Re: Oil Filters
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2017, 11:47:01 AM »
The issue that scares me the most from fram is they stamp the shell from much thinner metal than OEM and quality aftermarket. I've pulled many filters with nasty rock dents in the sides. I'd rather see a dent than a hole and all the oil pumped out.

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Re: Oil Filters
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2017, 12:00:50 PM »
Just go over and nose around Bob is the oil guy a bit and you will find everything you need to know out about Fram.
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Re: Oil Filters
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2017, 05:30:30 PM »
You might find Merk there too lolx
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Re: Oil Filters
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2017, 05:47:56 PM »
You might find Merk there too lolx

Quite likely.  :))
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Re: Oil Filters
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2017, 07:32:26 PM »
Just go over and nose around Bob is the oil guy a bit and you will find everything you need to know out about Fram.

I've been there and there are a lot of people who talk without knowing anything over there.
Lots of BS info mixed with some good info.
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Re: Oil Filters
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2017, 09:40:46 PM »
Just go over and nose around Bob is the oil guy a bit and you will find everything you need to know out about Fram.

I've been there and there are a lot of people who talk without knowing anything over there.
Lots of BS info mixed with some good info.

Oh, OK, I thought they were better than that. You can take it to the bank that Fram is not a good filter though. That much you can trust Bruce. And if I did not know better I would not tell you that!  ;)
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Re: Oil Filters
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2017, 10:51:21 PM »
The Toyota had this shorty little filter which an oil lube place said could be swapped out for the model used on the Ford V-8. A Fram PH8A.

Been using the larger filter ever since. Though I'm leaning toward switching to K&M as their filter has a 1" hex welded on the bottom so you can use a ratchet and socket to get it off. Less slipping that a banded wrench. 3X the cost, though. angryguyx

Have seen this flexible magnet sheath that supposedly grabs steel particles that get through the media and holds them in the canister till you change the filter. You then swap the mag sheath over to the new filter. Got 240,000 miles without it, so, I've not sprung for it yet.

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Re: Oil Filters
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2017, 12:55:40 AM »
Just go over and nose around Bob is the oil guy a bit and you will find everything you need to know out about Fram.

I've been there and there are a lot of people who talk without knowing anything over there.
Lots of BS info mixed with some good info.

Oh, OK, I thought they were better than that. You can take it to the bank that Fram is not a good filter though. That much you can trust Bruce. And if I did not know better I would not tell you that!  ;)

I trust you UB.  Next oil change I'll probably be using Purolator or Wix.
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Re: Oil Filters
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2017, 01:41:38 AM »
NAPA Gold filters are actually WIX at about half the price.  Has same part # and all.  Those are what I use on everything in my driveway

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Re: Oil Filters
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2017, 01:46:44 AM »
The Toyota had this shorty little filter.

Yeah when I was cross referencing the Kohler filter for my mower the purolator number sounded familiar scratchhead Same as my girlfriends 4runner lolx

Been using the larger filter ever since. Though I'm leaning toward switching to K&M as their filter has a 1" hex welded on the bottom so you can use a ratchet and socket to get it off. Less slipping that a banded wrench. 3X the cost, though. angryguyx

If you've got access to the bottom of the filter, and always use the same brand, see if you can find one of those cup filter wrenches that'll fit. Probably cost less than a K&N filter.

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Re: Oil Filters
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2017, 04:50:44 AM »
... Though I'm leaning toward switching to K&M as their filter has a 1" hex welded on the bottom so you can use a ratchet and socket to get it off. Less slipping that a banded wrench. 3X the cost, though. angryguyx ...


I don't tighten them much beyond a 1/4 turn after they contact the base. I can remove them by hand they don't leak or come loose. I do moisten the rubber gasket with a couple drops of oil and fill them as much as possible before install.

As to numbers I use what the factory recommended or Wix. I don't know enough about all the characteristics to know what's safe to use and what's not beyond that.
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Re: Oil Filters
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2017, 09:29:41 AM »
NAPA Gold filters are actually WIX at about half the price.  Has same part # and all.  Those are what I use on everything in my driveway

And the no name Pro-Tec filters are also Wix but even cheaper than the Napa ones at roughly $20 for a dozen of them!
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Re: Oil Filters
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2017, 09:59:55 AM »
Just go over and nose around Bob is the oil guy a bit and you will find everything you need to know out about Fram.

I've been there and there are a lot of people who talk without knowing anything over there.
Lots of BS info mixed with some good info.

I'm sure there is some good info there, but good luck sorting it out of all the nonsense.  panicx frustratedx :groaner:

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Re: Oil Filters
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2017, 02:31:03 PM »
I also gave up on Fram years ago.  I went by weight, they were lighter then premium brands.  Lighter to me meant less media inside.

I'm far from expert here, but while your logic on media content might be correct, I would think that more media also results in a higher pressure drop between inlet and outlet which could lead to failure if below designed specs.

Or I could be out to lunch!


Crap, now you blew my theory lolx  Makes me wonder is oil pressure as reported on the dash gauge measured before or after the filter. 

Actually, I don't care as I get high mileage on all my junk before it leaves and just haven't had an issue with oil related failures.  So I will say, If it ain't broke, don't fix it.  That is also why I never update my smart phone panicx
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Re: Oil Filters
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2017, 09:15:06 PM »
I have always preferred the OEM filters, AC_Delco, Motorcraft and Toyota for my cars and truck but have used Wix as a preferred alternative until today.

Usually I get a filter from work for my daughter's Saturn but forgot and needed one for the Sunday oil change so I bought a Wix.  Very disappointed to find that they are now made in China and are "Designed by Wix..."
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Re: Oil Filters
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2017, 09:15:06 PM »