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Re: The crashes keep on coming -- updated 5-14
« Reply #60 on: May 15, 2017, 10:13:47 PM »
Most of the vehicles I worked on the module was under passenger seat or under console
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Re: The crashes keep on coming -- updated 5-14
« Reply #61 on: May 15, 2017, 10:59:25 PM »
Most of the vehicles I worked on the module was under passenger seat or under console
I'm not positive but i think on yours GF its under the rear of the console.

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Re: The crashes keep on coming -- updated 5-14
« Reply #62 on: May 16, 2017, 02:29:13 PM »
Thank you gents! -- I really appreciate all the input.

I did pull the entire console and "sure-nuff" the module is located right under the transmission selector assembly. I'll have to pull it after work this evening.

On other matters, the seatbelt assembly wasn't that hard to remove either. I will package these things up and send them out for rebuilding and reflashing.

I'll post some pics this evening in case anyone has to pull the console.

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Re: The crashes keep on coming -- updated 5-14
« Reply #63 on: May 16, 2017, 07:57:07 PM »
The console is pretty straight forward to remove

Remove the shift console binnacle -- it simply pries up and is only secured by four snap-in clips

The console itself has two bolts in the rear bottom compartment, one side bolt (each side) by the seat rails, and three Phillips screws once you remove the console binnacle 



The airbag module is located directly underneath the shift lever assembly and is held in place by three 12mm bolts. -- one in front and two in the rear.



The best way to get at it is to clear as much carpet as possible to make room for extracting the entire module



This is what the module looks like -- the single rear bolt is easy to remove, but the two bolts on the side are tough. Best way to tackle that problem is to disconnect the rear air ducts from the blower unit. There are two air ducts -- one duct on each side of the module -- effectively blocking access to the module side bolts. I simply pushed down hard on the ducts where they connect to the blower and they sprang loose and I was able to push them out of my way to make room for a 12mm swivel socket on a 12" extension. That solved the access problem.





Here is a two pics of the empty space where the module resides





The other issue was the driver's side seatbelt.

I removed the plastic front and rear door sill covers -- the simply push/slide forward (toward the front of the car) and then you pull up to release the sill covers  (I had to pull the door seals out of the way a bit, but that is a trivial matter.







The inner "B" pillar plastic cover can now be removed by simply pulling on it -- it releases 5 clips in the pillar. Then the top seatbelt mounting clip on the "B" pillar is simply split open (like a clamshell) to reveal the mounting bolt -- it's fairly tight and I had to use a long handle 3/8" drive ratchet to get it off. Then the lower "B" pillar mounting bolt is removed.



The seatbelt module sits in the bottom of the "B" pillar and is held in by two bolts. The electrical connection is a lock type. Pull/pry up the lock tab with a small screwdriver and the connector comes loose.








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Re: The crashes keep on coming -- updated 5-16
« Reply #64 on: May 17, 2017, 12:03:13 PM »
For the folks that wanted to know where I sent my airbag module and seatbelt unit for refurbishment --

myairbags.com in Duluth GA =

$49 for the airbag module reflash, and $77 for the seatbelt module rebuild. The shipping back to me is free for the airbag module, but since the refurbished seatbelt unit will contain a hazardous material package, there is $38 HAZMAT shipping fee assessed.
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Re: The crashes keep on coming -- updated 5-16
« Reply #65 on: May 17, 2017, 12:21:26 PM »
For the folks that wanted to know where I sent my airbag module and seatbelt unit for refurbishment --

airbags.com in Duluth GA =

$49 for the airbag module reflash, and $77 for the seatbelt module rebuild. The shipping back to me is free for the airbag module, but since the refurbished seatbelt unit will contain a hazardous material package, there is $38 HAZMAT shipping fee assessed.

Some of the underlying costs not often considered by customers that are all part of the cost of putting a vehicle back right after a collision.

Ray, at the risk of sounding ignorant I understand having to do something special with an airbag after a collision. Honestly though, generally I would think in terms of loading the airbag bundle or it's replacement back were it belongs in the vehicle. Re-flashing I would know nothing about. And as for having to have something special done with the seatbelt I have zero knowledge of why you would need to have anything done with the seatbelt either. Mind you, I am not questioning having either done, (I am sure they had to be done) I am simply looking for some schooling to bring me up to speed about how you determine when either one needs doing, and what are the tells indicating needed attention? Perhaps I might run into something like this someday and it would be great to know these answers!
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Re: The crashes keep on coming -- updated 5-16
« Reply #66 on: May 17, 2017, 03:59:33 PM »
For the folks that wanted to know where I sent my airbag module and seatbelt unit for refurbishment --

myairbags.com in Duluth GA =

$49 for the airbag module reflash, and $77 for the seatbelt module rebuild. The shipping back to me is free for the airbag module, but since the refurbished seatbelt unit will contain a hazardous material package, there is $38 HAZMAT shipping fee assessed.

Some of the underlying costs not often considered by customers that are all part of the cost of putting a vehicle back right after a collision.

Ray, at the risk of sounding ignorant I understand having to do something special with an airbag after a collision. Honestly though, generally I would think in terms of loading the airbag bundle or it's replacement back were it belongs in the vehicle. Re-flashing I would know nothing about. And as for having to have something special done with the seatbelt I have zero knowledge of why you would need to have anything done with the seatbelt either. Mind you, I am not questioning having either done, (I am sure they had to be done) I am simply looking for some schooling to bring me up to speed about how you determine when either one needs doing, and what are the tells indicating needed attention? Perhaps I might run into something like this someday and it would be great to know these answers!

Herb -- the airbag system is controlled by a computer that constantly gets input from an array of sensors (impact sensors) -- once an impact occurs, the module commands both the airbag to deploy (a controlled explosion) and the seatbelt pre-tensioner to take up any slack in the belt and make it very tight. The pre-tensioner is activated by another controlled explosion which pushes on a piston and tightens the belt. That's why the belt needs to be refurbished -- another pre-tensioner charge needs to be reinstalled and the seatbelt rewound on the ratcheting mechanism. That is also why there is a $38 HAZMAT charge for shipping -- because there is a potentially explosive charge in the refurbished seatbelt module.

The control module itself registers an impact and will keep that data stored in memory unless it is erased -- a standard OBDII scanning tool can't erase that log. It needs to be sent to a specialist, or an expensive new module needs to be purchased and reflashed to match the VIN of the car.

Unless that module is reflashed, the airbag idiot light on the dash will stay lit and (depending on some car models) the new airbag may not function at all.
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Re: The crashes keep on coming -- updated 5-16
« Reply #67 on: May 17, 2017, 04:09:24 PM »
For the folks that wanted to know where I sent my airbag module and seatbelt unit for refurbishment --

airbags.com in Duluth GA =

$49 for the airbag module reflash, and $77 for the seatbelt module rebuild. The shipping back to me is free for the airbag module, but since the refurbished seatbelt unit will contain a hazardous material package, there is $38 HAZMAT shipping fee assessed.

Some of the underlying costs not often considered by customers that are all part of the cost of putting a vehicle back right after a collision.

Ray, at the risk of sounding ignorant I understand having to do something special with an airbag after a collision. Honestly though, generally I would think in terms of loading the airbag bundle or it's replacement back were it belongs in the vehicle. Re-flashing I would know nothing about. And as for having to have something special done with the seatbelt I have zero knowledge of why you would need to have anything done with the seatbelt either. Mind you, I am not questioning having either done, (I am sure they had to be done) I am simply looking for some schooling to bring me up to speed about how you determine when either one needs doing, and what are the tells indicating needed attention? Perhaps I might run into something like this someday and it would be great to know these answers!

Herb -- the airbag system is controlled by a computer that constantly gets input from an array of sensors (impact sensors) -- once an impact occurs, the module commands both the airbag to deploy (a controlled explosion) and the seatbelt pre-tensioner to take up any slack in the belt and make it very tight. The pre-tensioner is activated by another controlled explosion which pushes on a piston and tightens the belt. That's why the belt needs to be refurbished -- another pre-tensioner charge needs to be reinstalled and the seatbelt rewound on the ratcheting mechanism. That is also why there is a $38 HAZMAT charge for shipping -- because there is a potentially explosive charge in the refurbished seatbelt module.

The control module itself registers an impact and will keep that data stored in memory unless it is erased -- a standard ODBII scanning tool can't erase that log. It needs to be sent to a specialist, or an expensive new module needs to be purchased and reflashed to match the VIN of the car.

Unless that module is reflashed, the airbag idiot light on the dash will stay lit and (depending on some car models) the new airbag may not function at all.

WOW, I had no clue. So then any late model (post mid 1990"s) OBDII equipped car would be like this then regardless the brand I would assume?
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Re: The crashes keep on coming -- updated 5-16
« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2017, 04:20:56 PM »
For the folks that wanted to know where I sent my airbag module and seatbelt unit for refurbishment --

myairbags.com in Duluth GA =

$49 for the airbag module reflash, and $77 for the seatbelt module rebuild. The shipping back to me is free for the airbag module, but since the refurbished seatbelt unit will contain a hazardous material package, there is $38 HAZMAT shipping fee assessed.

Some of the underlying costs not often considered by customers that are all part of the cost of putting a vehicle back right after a collision.

Ray, at the risk of sounding ignorant I understand having to do something special with an airbag after a collision. Honestly though, generally I would think in terms of loading the airbag bundle or it's replacement back were it belongs in the vehicle. Re-flashing I would know nothing about. And as for having to have something special done with the seatbelt I have zero knowledge of why you would need to have anything done with the seatbelt either. Mind you, I am not questioning having either done, (I am sure they had to be done) I am simply looking for some schooling to bring me up to speed about how you determine when either one needs doing, and what are the tells indicating needed attention? Perhaps I might run into something like this someday and it would be great to know these answers!

Herb -- the airbag system is controlled by a computer that constantly gets input from an array of sensors (impact sensors) -- once an impact occurs, the module commands both the airbag to deploy (a controlled explosion) and the seatbelt pre-tensioner to take up any slack in the belt and make it very tight. The pre-tensioner is activated by another controlled explosion which pushes on a piston and tightens the belt. That's why the belt needs to be refurbished -- another pre-tensioner charge needs to be reinstalled and the seatbelt rewound on the ratcheting mechanism. That is also why there is a $38 HAZMAT charge for shipping -- because there is a potentially explosive charge in the refurbished seatbelt module.

The control module itself registers an impact and will keep that data stored in memory unless it is erased -- a standard ODBII scanning tool can't erase that log. It needs to be sent to a specialist, or an expensive new module needs to be purchased and reflashed to match the VIN of the car.

Unless that module is reflashed, the airbag idiot light on the dash will stay lit and (depending on some car models) the new airbag may not function at all.

WOW, I had no clue. So then any late model (post mid 1990"s) OBDII equipped car would be like this then regardless the brand I would assume?

I'm not certain when these technologies became the de-facto standard in modern cars, but certainly by the early 2000's these systems were increasingly standardized into every make, model, and price range of cars.
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Re: The crashes keep on coming -- updated 5-16
« Reply #69 on: May 19, 2017, 03:01:31 PM »
Well, the body and paint work on this thing is essentially done. I hung all the panels, and with very few exceptions the panels went on as expected -- I guess my measurements and fabrications were within the spec for fitting up parts.

The only real problem I found was with the aftermarket hood. I couldn't check the original hood's front crown lines and compare them with the aftermarket hood because the original piece was so crushed and crumpled that a comparison would have been impossible. Turns out that the new hood crown lines are stamped inward a bit too far to match up nicely with the grill on the corners. It is what it is, and I should have remembered to check it, but I forgot and just went with it -- my bad!





Overall the car looks tight and the color looks OEM. I painted the hood, the bumper cover, and the grill, and there are a few dust particles in the clear coat, but after this paint job has a chance to harden for a few weeks in the summer heat, I will sand it with 2000 grit and give it a nice buff and polish. It should look factory.

I was going top paint the entire car, but my daughter needs the car in two weeks for summer work; hence she only gets the Earl Scheib treatment. We'll see about painting the entire car in the fall.



All that's left is to install the plastic inner fender liners, the new seatbelt module, and the reflashed airbag control unit. I also have to charge the AC. Hopefully all will be done before Memorial day.

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Re: The crashes keep on coming -- updated 5-19
« Reply #70 on: May 19, 2017, 03:44:39 PM »
So what job did daughter get?
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Re: The crashes keep on coming -- updated 5-19
« Reply #71 on: May 19, 2017, 03:50:59 PM »
Looks great Ray. The only person that's ever gonna notice the hood is you and whoever you point it out to.
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Re: The crashes keep on coming -- updated 5-19
« Reply #72 on: May 19, 2017, 03:51:39 PM »
You are going to notice deficiencies more than about 98% of the rest of anyone whose eyes would ever land on it Ray. Takes either a very discerning eye, or that of an actual paint/body man to even notice what you are speaking of. Personally, I think it came out smashing, just as I expected! I knew you would knock it out in a couple of weeks too and you did not disappoint!  thumbsup2
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Re: The crashes keep on coming -- updated 5-19
« Reply #73 on: May 19, 2017, 04:23:41 PM »
So what job did daughter get?

Phil -- she got an internship at a non-profit social welfare group in Alexandria.


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Re: The crashes keep on coming -- updated 5-19
« Reply #74 on: May 19, 2017, 04:30:43 PM »
Looks great Ray. The only person that's ever gonna notice the hood is you and whoever you point it out to.

You are going to notice deficiencies more than about 98% of the rest of anyone whose eyes would ever land on it Ray. Takes either a very discerning eye, or that of an actual paint/body man to even notice what you are speaking of. Personally, I think it came out smashing, just as I expected! I knew you would knock it out in a couple of weeks too and you did not disappoint!  thumbsup2

Thanks guys! These little issues are not uncommon, but it's just irritating because it doesn't quite match the OEM look. That said, many of these aftermarket parts are much lower quality in terms of fit and finish than original Toyota parts. I debated about getting an OEM hood from the local car recycler, but it was just way easier to get on ebay and have the stuff shipped to my house. Overall I saved about $1300 by going for aftermarket Taiwanese parts over OEM Japanese production parts. For a 12 year old car, this was a reasonable compromise.

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Re: The crashes keep on coming -- updated 5-19
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