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It is a shame that threads like this are not stickied at the other site, they should be. I found this when I happened to troll over there for a bit tonight. I decided to copy the link and sticky it here. what a resource for a vise tutorial for those not educated on the subject.

I am shamelessly lifting it from the other site, and hopefully giving it a home referrence spot for those wishing to learn here. Ya , Ya, I know, I stole it from there, yada, yada, yada! Ah, shut yer pie hole!  :evil6: :evil5: :evil7:

Really great stuff indeed! I am told if I call this a link, all is cool , so here you go....a link.  http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62716
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Re: The last word on vises, I found this thread ya see.....
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2010, 01:24:10 AM »
The kid is sharp Buck. Knows his stuff about vises. I ended up getting a Charles Parker that is a resto project that really needs to get done. Pretty much did the same thing he did.
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Re: The last word on vises, I found this thread ya see.....
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2010, 01:30:46 AM »
The kid is sharp Buck. Knows his stuff about vises. I ended up getting a Charles Parker that is a resto project that really needs to get done. Pretty much did the same thing he did.

Oh I could tell. I wish he would have been there when I was. The boy does know vises, that much is clear!
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Re: The last word on vises, I found this thread ya see.....
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Re: The last word on vises, I found this thread ya see.....
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2010, 12:28:05 AM »
Looks to be a young fellow not too conversant with iron.
"The post vise is a blacksmith's tool, and features a post going to the ground so that it may be hammered upon. My understanding is that these vises are made of wrought iron, not cast iron, allowing them to have ductility. It is therefore possible to "spring" the jaws without breaking them."  I have a hunch he should be saying forged rather than wrought.


"Hot forged inserts- These inserts go into the jaws half way and then stop. There are no visible fasteners. They do not come off and and are thus not replaceable. Some smaller Reeds have these style."
Got a hunch he needs to get a handle on the ancient art of shrinking an insert into a vise jaw.

Good lord, the kid puts paste wax on a vise.  Am I to understand the lad collects vises?  I mean it's probably a better expenditure of his funds than young girls, but WAXING a vise. 

I suppose somebody should acquaint the boy with Storts, he could ramble for hours about the Parker company.  Naw, that wouldn't be fair to an impressionable youth. 
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Re: The last word on vises, I found this thread ya see.....
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2010, 08:08:13 AM »
...Good lord, the kid puts paste wax on a vise.  Am I to understand the lad collects vises?  I mean it's probably a better expenditure of his funds than young girls, but WAXING a vise. 


Maybe his vises are hairy and he prefers waxing them to shaving them down??!!

I just oil mine before slapping something hard into them.....

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Re: The last word on vises, I found this thread ya see.....
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2010, 11:06:01 PM »
Hmmm...so am I to understand that I have been stickied in a forum to which I was not a member? That is a first!

And yes, paste wax on a vise keeps it from rusting, oil works well too.  thumbsup2

Here is one about restoration and such. Hopefully the links to another forum are Kosher.

http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62717&showall=1
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Re: The last word on vises, I found this thread ya see.....
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2010, 11:11:45 PM »
Looks to be a young fellow not too conversant with iron.
"The post vise is a blacksmith's tool, and features a post going to the ground so that it may be hammered upon. My understanding is that these vises are made of wrought iron, not cast iron, allowing them to have ductility. It is therefore possible to "spring" the jaws without breaking them."  I have a hunch he should be saying forged rather than wrought.


"Hot forged inserts- These inserts go into the jaws half way and then stop. There are no visible fasteners. They do not come off and and are thus not replaceable. Some smaller Reeds have these style."
Got a hunch he needs to get a handle on the ancient art of shrinking an insert into a vise jaw.

Good lord, the kid puts paste wax on a vise.  Am I to understand the lad collects vises?  I mean it's probably a better expenditure of his funds than young girls, but WAXING a vise. 

I suppose somebody should acquaint the boy with Storts, he could ramble for hours about the Parker company.  Naw, that wouldn't be fair to an impressionable youth.

I'm curious about a few things you said. The shrinking process is something that I have not heard of. I am of the impression they are forged into the jaw. The only way I can think to replace them would be to mill them out and drill/tap the face.  Also, the difference between wrought and forged? I thought one was material and the other a process.

I'll have to look up STORTS.

And my vise habit actually pays me. It didn't start that way, but I make decent side cash fixing up and selling old vises. It's fun. So the vises pay for the other vices.  th-smile

Thanks for the complements guys.
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Re: The last word on vises, I found this thread ya see.....
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2010, 11:35:49 PM »
I appreciated the effort you put into that thread, that was why I stickied it here. I like what you do with those old vises, though I will admit, I do nothing but hammer the crap out of mine! Glad you made it over here though, WELCOME!  beerdude
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Re: The last word on vises, I found this thread ya see.....
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2010, 11:37:00 PM »
Ahhh! Be nice to it!

Unless it is a China POS, then beat the hell out of it.  lolx
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Re: The last word on vises, I found this thread ya see.....
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2010, 07:11:52 PM »
Hmmm...

Thanks for the info, I did a bit of looking...

 'Wrought' is iron bent in a form. 'Forged' means hammered and shaped on an anvil when hot, usually prior to being wrought or added to a wrought design

I suppose forged is the proper term then.
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Re: The last word on vises, I found this thread ya see.....
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2010, 07:19:33 PM »
Good to see you over here, Mitch.  Don't be shy about dipping your feet in the water!   ;D
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Re: The last word on vises, I found this thread ya see.....
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2010, 12:06:18 AM »
Lets see if I can either further confuse or deconfuse the iron thing.

Wrought iron is actually rare in today's world although the term is commonly misused.  Wrought is made by hauling a hot pig from the furnace that initially converts ore to iron, and beating the snot out of it with a power hammer until it becomes flexible iron rather than crystalline iron normally found in castings.  The pig will need to be reheated several times, and since this is done in either a coal or charcoal fire the iron picks up carbon from the fire and the hammer beats it in.  The process is very similar to Japanese swordmaking where the billet is withdrawn from the fire, folded and beaten, then refired over and over.

The only remaining wrought mill left in the US is an antique possessed by the Park Service.  They do occasionally run the waterwheel driven hammer for demonstrations, but they won't even attempt actual hammering or run a batch.  Any wrought you can find in the supply chain today comes from either India or Pakistan where it is still milled as it was in 1800, and it costs a kings ransom.

Wrought is soft due to the metalurgy, and most of it doesn't weld worth a damn with any process beyond O/A.  It is also very resistant to rusting once a layer of rust forms on the surface. 

Most bench vises are a combination of cast steel and hi carbon machinable steel. 
The body of the vise will generally be cast steel, with inserted jaws giving the vise greater holding power and grip.

Blacksmith leg vises are forged vises,  Older ones still show marks on the leg and lower post from the forging.  Newer ones were dropforged, a process of 2 halves of a mold coming together with tremendous force on a hot piece of steel.

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Re: The last word on vises, I found this thread ya see.....
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2010, 01:44:21 AM »
Not a problem for us, here...   beerdude


Here is one about restoration and such. Hopefully the links to another forum are Kosher.

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